TNA vs. WWE Fantasy Match: Samoa Joe vs. Randy Orton

Samoa Joe is one of the most agile, powerful and intimidating heavyweight wrestlers of all time. Before making it to TNA, Joe made a name for himself in Ring of Honor, where he really showed off what he could do in a series of unforgettable matches. If you’re in the ring with Samoa Joe, beware, he’s going to try and choke you out. Randy Orton is the perfect WWE Superstar. He has a phenomenal look, a great physique and happens to be one of the better wrestlers on the WWE roster. Orton has been in the professional wrestling business a long time and is currently holding the WWE Title Money in the Bank briefcase.

“TNA vs. WWE Fantasy Match” is pretty self-explanatory; it’s a weekly series that will feature a match between current TNA and WWE Superstars. Along with the booked match and predicted winner at the end of each piece, there will a brief history of each Superstar. Also, career accolades and informative stats about each competitor will be highlighted as well.

This week’s Fantasy Match showcases two extremely dangerous wrestlers; Samoa Joe of TNA and the Viper, Randy Orton.

History

Even though they’ve been wrestling for over a decade, Samoa Joe and Randy Orton have never stepped foot inside a wrestling ring together. In this section, a brief history of each Superstar’s career as well as their championship reigns and accomplishments are examined:

Samoa Joe

The Samoan Submission Machine never had anything handed to him and he made it to TNA by paying his dues in the independent circuit. He started wrestling in 1999 and after working for a few independent promotions; Joe joined the third largest company in the world, Ring of Honor. This was back in 2002 and at this time, there were a lot of up and coming Superstars that were competing in ROH. Joe standing out in a field of gifted, talented wrestlers really tells you something about his wrestling ability and the way he carries himself as a performer.

Joe had some of the greatest matches and rivalries during his time in ROH. The most obvious series of matches came against the former WWE champion, CM Punk. At the time, these two were younger and less experienced, but they still managed to receive a five star match rating in the process. As most of you know, Dave Meltzer’s Wrestling Observer Match Star Ratings are rarely given out, at least in American promotions, and the second out of three matches between Joe and Punk was awarded with the incredible honor.

In 2005, Joe gave the fans another top notch, five star match against Kenta Kobashi, who was wrestling in the United States from Japan. After competing in his second flawless match, Joe went on to wrestle against the likes of Chris Hero, Homicide and Daniel Bryan.

On June 14, 2005 Samoa Joe had officially signed a contract that would send him to TNA. Upon his arrival, Joe went on a massive Goldberg-like winning streak, becoming one of the most feared men in the entire promotion. His violent one-of-a-kind style separated Joe from the rest of the roster…and then WWE legend Kurt Angle joined promotion. Both Joe and Angle are/were phenomenal technical wrestlers and they gave fans one of the most popular and memorable feuds in TNA history.

Fast forward a few years to 2013 and Samoa Joe is a member of the Main Event Mafia, who are trying to get rid of the cancer that is the Aces & Eights.

Samoa Joe’s Accomplishments:

ROH: ROH Pure World Champion; ROH World Heavyweight Champion; Two-time 5 Star Match Recipient (2004, 2005)

TNA: World Heavyweight Champion; Four-time X Division Champion; Two-time TNA World Tag Team Champion; Television Champion; 5 Star Match Recipient (2005).

Randy Orton

You can say that Randy Orton had a lot of things handed to him considering his father is a WWE Hall of Famer, but his journey to the top had many speed bumps and downfalls along the way. Orton joined the WWE in 2001 and was placed in the developmental program. He only stayed in developmental for a year before making it to the main roster.

From 2002 on, Orton would become one of the hottest names in the wrestling industry. Sure, he was given a chance and shot straight to the top thanks to his father, but that doesn’t take away the hard work he put in and let’s face it, we all know Randy was born and bred to wrestle.

After recovering from an injury, Orton slowly turned into a narcissistic heel that would do anything to win. He learned from the very best in the business when he joined the memorable heel faction known as Evolution. With guidance from Triple H and Ric Flair, the sky was truly the limit for the Apex Predator.

Orton stayed with the villainous faction for about three years until he was “kicked out”. At the time, Orton had become the youngest World Heavyweight champion in history (24) and it was obvious that Triple H was jealous of that achievement.

After flying solo for a couple of years, Orton teamed up with WWE Hall of Famer Edge and formed Rated RKO. It was an interesting pairing, but there run as a tag team wasn’t anything groundbreaking. In 2007, Orton took things into his own hands and became the leader of his own faction, Legacy, which comprised of a young Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase, two other Superstars that were born and bred for greatness.

After ditching Rhodes and DiBiase, Orton focused on the World Heavyweight championship and has been in the title picture ever since, kind of.

There is a lot of speculation that Orton hasn’t held the World Heavyweight or WWE Championships in a few years mainly because of his two strikes when it comes to the WWE’s Wellness Policy. Early on, Orton was a trouble maker who did things his own way and didn’t care what anybody said. Even Orton has admitted in multiple interviews that he was prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article1003647.shtml" target="_blank">immature and out of line when he first came into the business. But, considering Orton has the WWE Title Money in the Bank briefcase, it seems like Vince McMahon and other WWE officials trust that Orton has changed his ways and is ready to become the WWE champion once again.

Randy Orton’s Accomplishments:

WWE: Nine-time World Champion; Intercontinental Champion; Tag Team Champion; 2009 Royal Rumble Winner; 2013 Money in the Bank Briefcase Holder.

Stats

Joe Orton Table

As you can see from the table, Orton has competed in almost double the amount of matches that Joe has. I found this stat to be interesting, but it makes sense considering Orton virtually wrestles at every Raw, SmackDown and WWE pay-per-view. Joe on the other hand was performing in independent promotions for a number of years and there was nothing that concrete for him until 2005. I knew Orton had competed in more matches than Joe, but it is still an overwhelming number.

Samoa Joe vs. Randy Orton 2014

Samoa Joe vs. Randy Orton has been one of the more difficult TNA vs. WWE Fantasy matches to predict. Both of these competitors are so unique and different, but they also have a few similarities as well, mainly their mean streak and no-nonsense villainous characters.

If this match took place at a neutral site, I’d give the win to Samoa Joe. However, if the match took place at let’s say WrestleMania 30, I’d say that Orton would win. Regardless of who wins, these two would definitely put on an epic performance. I feel that Randy Orton is extremely underrated when it comes to his in-ring skills and actual wrestling ability and there is nobody better than Samoa Joe to help Orton show how good he truly is.

If Samoa Joe came to the WWE, I think a lot of the fans would know who he is. He would probably go on a vicious winning streak and a match between Orton and Joe would culminate at WrestleMania 30. These two would have a rivalry solely based on respect and to see who was the better man.

Prediction: Randy Orton defeats Samoa Joe with a tiresome; last gasp RKO after being dominated by the Samoan Submission Machine for twenty minutes. Trust me, I’d like to give the win the Samoa Joe, but there has been a lot of times where Orton gets completely annihilated, but then hits an RKO (out of nowhere!) and picks up a victory. Samoa Joe will lose the match, but gain the respect of fans for his performance against Orton. As many wrestling fans know, you can still go over and be a crowd favorite even in defeat.

Winner: Randy Orton

If you enjoyed reading this article and would like to have an influence on next week’s TNA vs. WWE Fantasy Match, please feel free to comment below with the two wrestlers you’d like to see square off.

Also, be sure to check out the previous installments of TNA vs. WWE Fantasy Matches: Austin Aries vs. Dolph ZigglerMagnus vs. Wade BarrettAJ Styles vs. John CenaKurt Angle vs. Daniel BryanSting vs. The UndertakerJeff Hardy vs. CM Punk

 


  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aMVlNPjpbI The Devourer of Dimensions

    Kurt Angle did not lose to Orton at ONS ’06.

    • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

      You’re absolutely right, he tapped out to the Ankle Lock. Not sure why I always screw that up. I just changed it. Thanks for the find, Sub Zero.

      Do you think they will make another Mortal Kombat movie? They were some of my favorites, despite being cheesy.

      • Daniel_P1

        That first MK movie was pretty badass, the2nd one not so much lol. Have you guys seen the mini series they did online? It was actually really good!

        • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

          I agree. I don’t know of the mini series, but I found an epic trailer. It’s like Mortal Kombat if it was rated R.

          Check it out, it’s bad ass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSCB5mBpxq0

          • Daniel_P1

            That is the trailer for the mini series I saw online. You should check it out if you liked the trailer! They are currently working on making season 2 of the mini series.

            http://www.machinima.com/shows/mk-legacy

          • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

            Awesome! Thanks for letting me know. I will definitely watch season 1 when I have the chance. How many episodes are their in the first season and how long are the episodes, roughly? Also, are you on Twitter, Daniel?

          • Daniel_P1

            Season 1 has 9 episodes and they are roughly 10 minutes long (usually a little under 10 mins). Here is their youtube channel with all 9 episodes.

            http://m.youtube.com/#/show/mortalkombatlegacy?&desktop_uri=%2Fshow%2Fmortalkombatlegacy

            And no, I’m not on twitter (just here(clearly lol) and facebook.

          • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

            Thanks, I will save that site to my desktop. Twitter is great man. Lot of wrestling fans on their who chat about everything wrestling when its on.

          • mrCpoprun

            There us a second season to the MK Legacy series online coming out soon.

          • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

            That’s what I heard. I haven’t watched the first one yet but I will check out the first and this new one.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aMVlNPjpbI The Devourer of Dimensions

        I just wish Hollywood would stay away from games. Period.

        • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

          Yeah I know what you mean. First Resident Evil was decent, and then they made 4-5 more and its getting ridiculous. DOOM was just…ugh. Thanks again Rock.

  • Sir William McCormick

    I understand where you are coming from, but Joe takes this down.

    • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

      It’s very difficult to predict. I’d love to see Joe win. I’d love to see this match. Also, Orton is going to be the WWE champion soon and Joe isn’t even in the title picture over in TNA. But, he is in the BFG series.

      • Sir William McCormick

        Yes it is good sir and much of it is about preference, but when you look at the accomplishments. Orton has the WWE title runs and Joe has the better match quality. If the run came down to Mania 30 then Joe would need the win more than Orton. With his win/loss record, Orton clearly could handle the loss better than Joe.

        • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

          I know wins and losses don’t really mean anything in wrestling, but I still like including them in the article because I think readers are still interested in that kind of thing. You bring up some good points. Orton probably wouldn’t mind putting Joe over. Actually, I’d love to see Joe in WWE, now that you mention it.

          • Sir William McCormick

            I’m just discussing this match with you sir. It’s really interesting and it could go either way to my satisfaction. I feel like Joe in WWE would be awesome. Joe could work with almost anyone.

          • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

            Joe and Kane would have some quality matches. Joe and Punk have already had a 5 star rated match, so imagine what they could do in WWE. Joe coming to WWE is exciting to talk about. Lot of possibilities.

          • Shawn Harrington

            You know I too think Orton would probably take the win over Joe especially a mania, and I feel Orton would be FORCED to punt his way to a win, as I feel joe could eat an RKO and survive, but I could also see Joe countering and RKO right into a Coquina Clutch, that’d be a SICK spot!

  • Daniel_P1

    This match could go either way. Personally, I’d pick Joe to win; regardless, this match would be an absolute war!

    • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

      You’re right, it could go either way and it was hard for me to pick a winner. I try my best to be unbiased, I’ve had some TNA guys beat WWE guys in this series, but the reality is that WWE is such a bigger and better promotion, even though I still enjoy watching TNA, and its hard to predict how guys like Joe, Styles, Magnus would do in the WWE.

      • Daniel_P1

        I definitely understand what you mean; it can be hard to determine the winners. Anyways, I always look forward to the wwe vs tna fantasy matchup articles on here!

        • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

          Thanks a lot man! Really appreciate the kind words. I know a lot of the readers come here for the news, so I’m very grateful that at least one reader looks forward to these articles.

      • CMmox

        How about Barrett vs Magnus next? x)

  • sonik

    What abous this : Bully Ray vs Sheamus or Bobby Roode vs Chris Jericho

    • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

      Great suggestions. I don’t want to say all the matches I have planned for the month, but Roode and Jericho is saved as a draft and I’m still figuring out other matches. I haven’t used Sheamus or Bully yet and that would be a great match up!

      • sonik

        Btw Orton wasn’t in Evolution for four years but only one and a half year

        • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

          Joined Evolution in late 2002-2003 and was kicked out the night after SummerSlam 2004. So two-three years actually.

      • Bite Me You Loser

        Suicide vs Mysterio or Sin Cara

        • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

          You mean MANIK now? Weird how they changed his name and didn’t change anything else about him lol.

          • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling Thatoneperson

            This match isn’t must see to me and why did they change his name? The promos all said Suicide.

  • showoff

    God i still can’t get over how horrible the booking for Joe is. He’s one of the best in wrestling n he hasn’t had a title shot in how many years? Ridiculous if you ask me. Randy ortons amazing but he’s way better as a heel I liked when he was cocky n arrogant n the pyro when he entered was pretty cool but I think Joe chokes him out

    • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

      I agree. I can’t believe Joe has only won the TNA World Heavyweight Title once. I love Orton too, a match between the two would be amazing and very evenly matched. I chose Orton because he can hit the RKO from virtually anywhere. Joe locks in the rear naked choke from anywhere, but RKO is more devastating, I think. No time to crawl to the ropes or anything.

      • showoff

        That’s true the rko can get him at any given time. I just wana see some wrestlers their time to shine. Joe is one of them. These ridiculous storylines with no ending like the one where he got kidnapped like wtf happened with that just sad what he’s dealing with down there

        • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

          I know exactly what you mean. We STILL don’t know who kidnapped Joe lol. Only thing TNA is doing right is pushing Magnus and making him a part of the Main Event Mafia. Magnus is a great talent and he’s only 27-28 years old.

          • showoff

            Magnus will definitely be a player if tna don’t go under soon lol. I like him. Just hopefully Joe goes to WWE before he gets out of his prime n its too late

          • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

            It is a shame. Guys like AJ Styles and Samoa Joe will retire with TNA and never actually compete in the WWE. I know they both had matches in WWE, but that was years ago and those were pretty much tryout matches.

          • showoff

            Ya I know they’ll never know how the big leagues feel

          • Shawn Harrington

            As far as we know…but between the two I think Joe would jump ship if given the opportunity..its whether or not WWE WANTS joe, as he doesnt have the “physique” they usually go for. Granted they did have Umaga, so you never know, but my point is IF WWE were interested Joe would jump ship seeing as he’s go friends in CM Punk, John Cena(both trained together is UPW) and Daniel Bryan all who are top stars right now! But if WWE could steal one talent from TNA and makes money from without having to do much development with him would easily by Bobby Roode. He’s tailor made for the WWE, his style, his look, his attitude, he really is the IT Factor.

        • Shawn Harrington

          You know they’d could’ve easily fixed that as saying it was actually the ACES and 8′s that did that years before they actually debut. Maybe even insinuating that Joe WAS a member of the group before being in TNA, but left the group and so as revenge for turning him back on “family” they beat him down and kidnapped him. Another added bonus, wasn’t TAZ the one that brought Samoa joe back? and isnt TAZ in the Ace’s and 8′s? hmmmm… stupid TNA for not trying to fill some holes.

          • showoff

            not a bad idea. they just know how to drop the ball with everything good. for everything good they come back with two things horrible

  • Devon

    Orton Sucks!!! Joe is awesome!!! Its too bad Joe is in crappy TNA

    • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

      You aren’t a fan of Orton? I think he’s an amazing entertainer, especially when he’s a heel. Yeah I don’t know what TNA is doing with Joe. He is one of their best overall wrestlers and he’s only won one World Title since joining TNA in 2005.

      • Devon

        He is a horrible face, horrible wrestler. I will admit he is a near perfect heel. But he sucks McMahon more than Cena does. At least Cena has mic skills and is a decent wrestler. Orton sucks. The only reason he got titles is cuz of who his father is, roids, suckin McMahon and he hangs out wit HHH & Flair.

        • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

          Orton has surpassed his father…there is no doubt about that. And yeah Orton has had problems with roids, but come on, look at him, he is jacked but he doesn’t look like Triple H or Cena or Lesnar. He is actually pretty slim.

          I think Orton is an underrated wrestler and performer, but of course, you are welcome to your opinion. He did get a big break because of his father, but he took advantage of the opportunity and ran with it.

          • Devon

            And suckin McMahon.

          • Fernando Oliveira

            And he can face practically anyone and make it a good match. Plus, he changes his moveset like crazy !

          • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

            He has incorporated a lot of different moves, which is great to see. I for one have come a liking to the T-Bone Suplex he now uses.

  • mrCpoprun

    I do have one argument with these series and that is that it sways more towards wwe wrestlers winning majority of the time. Joe hands down better than Orton and Joe would would win on neutral ground. If you did keep these match ups towards neutral grounds than you would probably see both brands with equal wins. Great concept, keep em going. Roode v Ziggler.

    • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

      Yeah I know what you mean. I’ve had some TNA guys win, but the majority are WWE. I’m a fan of both, but there is no bigger event than WrestleMania and it just seems right that the match would take place there. I could maybe do half TNA half WWE fans in a neutral arena at a TNA vs. WWE PPV concept or something like that. I think that would make me think about these matches a little bit more.

      Thanks, I’m glad you’re enjoying the series!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ConchaMaxine Concha Maxine Amar Wong

    Randy Orton of course will win against Samoa Joe.

    • http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wrestling/author/adrian-fylonenko/ Adrian Fylonenko

      I’m glad you agree with my winner. Thanks for reading!

  • Jesus Condom

    Orton is way better than Samoa Joe

  • Shawn Harrington

    Sorry my friend I feel Samoa Joe would be best suited against Alberto Del Rio if there were a TNA V WWE SUPERCARD! They are both hard striking submission based wrestler that would mesh very very well, not to mention ADR ALSO is known for his temper and MEAN streak! I think Randy orton would be best pitted against Bully Ray when comes to merciless wrestlers who would stop at nothing to win a match, and if this match was pitted under NO DQ then all bests are OFF! I’d love to see you do a James Storm V Sheamus Match (as they are both known as tough guys who love to fight…and enjoy a pint…or 12pack). Anyone agree or disagree?

Follow Wrestle Newz